{"id":1754,"date":"2023-05-01T19:02:00","date_gmt":"2023-05-01T16:02:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/?p=1754"},"modified":"2024-04-11T22:02:51","modified_gmt":"2024-04-11T19:02:51","slug":"iidne","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/iidne\/","title":{"rendered":"iidne"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Omaduss\u00f5na <em><strong>iidne <\/strong><\/em>on kirjakeeles leitav alles 18. sajandist ning tekstides tavap\u00e4raseks saab see 20. sajandil. Murreteski on <em>iidne<\/em> levinud vaid hajusalt (olles siiski \u00fcles m\u00e4rgitud ka paigust, kus elas ja tegutses m\u00f5ni 17. sajandi keelemees, nt Heinrich G\u00f6seken; vt <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eki.ee\/dict\/ems\/index.cgi?Q=iidne&amp;F=M&amp;C06=et\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">EMS<\/a>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>S\u00f5na <em>iidne <\/em>esmaesinemused on 18. sajandi keskpaiga s\u00f5nastikes. S. H. Vestring on t\u00e4henduste hulka \u2019igivana\u2019 k\u00f5rvale lisanud ka <em>g\u00e4ntzlich, gantz und gar<\/em> \u2019t\u00e4ielikult, t\u00e4iesti\u2019 ning A. Thor Helle t\u00e4hendust \u2019igivana\u2019 \u00fcldse ei annagi. T\u00e4hendus \u2019t\u00e4ielikult, t\u00e4iesti\u2019 on j\u00f5udnud ka A. W. Hupeli s\u00f5nastikku (1780, 1818).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vanades piiblit\u00f5lgetes on <em>iidne <\/em>asemel kasutatud s\u00f5nu <em>igavene <\/em>(5Ms 33: 27 Gutslaffi t\u00f5lkes 17. saj keskel), <em>vana <\/em>(5Ms 33: 27 1739. a Piiblis) ja <em>ammune <\/em>(Ps 55: 20 1739. a Piiblis).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hilisemat laia levikut kirjakeeles soodustas keeleuuendus. Nimelt on <em>iidne <\/em>kirjakeeles tarvitamiseks soovitatavate s\u00f5nade hulgas A. Saareste raamatukeses \u201eMurdes\u00f5nad P\u00f5hja-Eestist\u201c (1921).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2666<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kujunemiselt n\u00e4ib <em>iidne <\/em>olevat sarnane oma anton\u00fc\u00fcmiga <em>n\u00fc\u00fcdne<\/em>. Wiedemanni s\u00f5nastikus (1869, 1893) leidub ka <em>ne<\/em>-tuletise aluseks olev nimis\u00f5na <em>iid <\/em>\u2019ammu m\u00f6\u00f6dunud aeg\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>M\u00e4\u00e4rs\u00f5na <em>n\u00fc\u00fcd <\/em>viiakse tagasi algl\u00e4\u00e4nemeresoome kujule *<em>n\u00fcg\u00fct<\/em>, kus <em>-t<\/em> on mingi vana k\u00e4\u00e4ndel\u00f5pp v\u00f5i liide, mis liitus t\u00fcvele *<em>n\u00fck\u00fc-<\/em> ja p\u00f5hjustas <em>k<\/em> n\u00f5rgenemise ning hilisema kao (vt <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eki.ee\/dict\/ety\/index.cgi?Q=n%C3%BC%C3%BCd&amp;F=M&amp;C06=et\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ETY<\/a>). Samamoodi on <em>iid <\/em>tagasi viidav kujule *<em>igit<\/em>. Teisalt, v\u00f5imalik on ka tuletise <em>iidne <\/em>viimine algsele kujule tervikuna, st koos sufiksitega \u2013 siis on algl\u00e4\u00e4nemeresoome kujuks *<em>igittine<\/em>. Just nii on seda s\u00f5na et\u00fcmologiseerides otsustanud Udo Uibo (2013). M\u00f5lemal juhul on <em>iidne <\/em>vana tuletis t\u00fcvest <em>iga <\/em>\u2019eluaeg, vanus\u2019, \u00f5igemini selle variandist <em>igi<\/em>\u2013 (vt Uibo 2013).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>100 aastat varasem, h\u00e4\u00e4likulisele kokkulangevusele toetuv et\u00fcmologiseering on tuletise <em>iidne <\/em>seostanud t\u00fcvega <em>hiis<\/em>, mille algne t\u00e4hendus v\u00f5is olla \u2019matmispaik\u2019. Selle et\u00fcmoloogia esmaesitaja n\u00e4ikse olevat E. A. Tunkelo. 1914. aastal avaldas ta K. Krohni juubelikogumikus \u201eKansantieteellisi\u00e4 tutkielmia\u201c kirjutise s\u00f5nast <em>hiis <\/em>ja selle oletatavast h\u00e4\u00e4likulisest variandist <em>hiid <\/em>\u2019hiiglane\u2019 (enne mitmeid h\u00e4\u00e4likumuutusi oli <em>hiis <\/em>nimetavas k\u00e4\u00e4ndes <em>hiisi<\/em>, omastavas <em>hiiden<\/em>). Tunkelo peab t\u00fcve allikaks vanu germaani ja skandinaavia s\u00f5nu, mis t\u00e4hendasid \u2019karu (vm metslooma) koobas\u2019 ja \u2019mets\u2019. Sedakaudu j\u00f5uab Tunkelo ka t\u00e4henduseni \u2019matmispaik\u2019. Lisargumendina esitab ta loitse ja rahvalaule, nt <em>K\u00e4isin eile Iielassa, Tunaeile Tuonelassa<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>L\u00f5puks seob Tunkelo <em>hiis<\/em>-t\u00fcve tuletisega <em>iidne<\/em>, kirjutades, et olgu <em>hiis<\/em> p\u00e4ritolu milline tahes, vaevalt saab omaduss\u00f5na <em>iidne <\/em>sellest lahus hoida, isegi kui t\u00e4hendus on palju muutunud. Tunkelo j\u00e4tab seose s\u00f5nade <em>hiis <\/em>ja <em>iidne <\/em>vahel siiski t\u00e4psemalt selgitamata, oletades vaid, et v\u00e4ljend <em>vanast iidsest ajast<\/em> v\u00f5is algselt olla hoopis <em>vanast iidest\/iiest<\/em> (seest\u00fctlev s\u00f5nast <em>iid<\/em>), ning l\u00f5petades h\u00fc\u00fcdlausega, et on ju vanade hiite ajast terved ajastud m\u00f6\u00f6das.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tunkelo kirjutist refereerib <a href=\"https:\/\/dea.digar.ee\/article\/postimeesew\/1914\/06\/14\/4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">1914. a 14. juuni Postimees<\/a>, aga selles tutvustuses on <em>iidne <\/em>kirjutatud <em>h<\/em>-ga: <strong><em>hiidne<\/em><\/strong>. Sel ajal oli <em>h<\/em> kirjutamises s\u00f5na algusesse veel palju ebaj\u00e4rjekindlust ning otsustada v\u00f5idigi s\u00f5na et\u00fcmoloogia j\u00e4rgi. Niisiis v\u00f5ib kirjapilt <em>hiidne <\/em>olla ajendatud Tunkelo esitatud seosest s\u00f5naga <em>hiis<\/em>. Samas leidub <em>h<\/em>-alguline <em>hiidine <\/em>\u2019iidne\u2019 juba \u00fches 1913. aastal ilmunud raamatuski (eeldades, et aastaarv tiitellehel vastab tegelikule ilmumisajale), nimelt \u201eP\u00e4ewalehe\u201c aastaraamatus Villem Gr\u00fcnthal-Ridala kirjutises.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mitte ainult <em>h<\/em> kirjutamine, vaid ka <em>h<\/em> h\u00e4\u00e4ldus s\u00f5na algul on eesti keeles olnud v\u00e4ga k\u00f5ikuv. <em>h<\/em> v\u00f5is kaduda s\u00f5nadest, kus algup\u00e4raselt oli <em>h<\/em>, ning tekkida s\u00f5nadesse, kus <em>h<\/em>-d varem polnud, nii et <em>h<\/em> olemasolu ega puudumine 20. sajandi allikates ei ole piisav argument \u00fchegi et\u00fcmoloogia poolt ega vastu. V\u00f5imalik on ju seegi, et eri algup\u00e4ra s\u00f5nad <em>iid(ne)<\/em> ja <em>hiid\/hiis<\/em> on mingil ajal \u201ekokku kasvanud\u201c, seda just t\u00e4nu t\u00e4hendusseose loomisele, igaviku ning matmispaiga seostamisele.<\/p>\n\n\n<p><\/p><div class=\"accordion mb-3\">\n        <div class=\"accordion-item accordion-item--white\">\n        <h2 class=\"accordion-header\" id=\"accordion-69f072f7db691-heading\">\n            <button class=\"accordion-button collapsed\" type=\"button\" data-bs-toggle=\"collapse\" data-bs-target=\"#accordion-69f072f7db691-collapse\" aria-expanded=\"true\" aria-controls=\"accordion-69f072f7db691-collapse\">T\u00e4hendused ja n\u00e4itelaused<\/button>\n        <\/h2>\n        <div id=\"accordion-69f072f7db691-collapse\" class=\"accordion-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-69f072f7db691-heading\">\n            <div class=\"accordion-body\"> <small> Ronk lendas nuttes hauale,<br>\nLiiw langes kirstulauale.<br>\nOh elu <strong>iidne <\/strong>saladus,<br>\nKas selgib n\u00fc\u00fcd su m\u00f5istatus?<br>\nMis tuleb weel?<br>\n(Perekonnaleht, 1912, nr 50) <\/small> <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p><div class=\"accordion mb-3\">\n        <div class=\"accordion-item accordion-item--white\">\n        <h2 class=\"accordion-header\" id=\"accordion-69f072f7db698-heading\">\n            <button class=\"accordion-button collapsed\" type=\"button\" data-bs-toggle=\"collapse\" data-bs-target=\"#accordion-69f072f7db698-collapse\" aria-expanded=\"true\" aria-controls=\"accordion-69f072f7db698-collapse\">Esmaesinemus<\/button>\n        <\/h2>\n        <div id=\"accordion-69f072f7db698-collapse\" class=\"accordion-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-69f072f7db698-heading\">\n            <div class=\"accordion-body\">\n<h5>1710\u20131730 (k\u00e4sikirjalises s\u00f5nastikus)<\/h5>\n<p><small> <strong>Iidne <\/strong>uralt, g\u00e4ntzlich, Gantz u. gar <em>Rev<\/em>. (Vestring 1710\u20131730) <\/small><\/p>\n<p><\/p><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p><div class=\"accordion mb-3\">\n        <div class=\"accordion-item accordion-item--white\">\n        <h2 class=\"accordion-header\" id=\"accordion-69f072f7db69c-heading\">\n            <button class=\"accordion-button collapsed\" type=\"button\" data-bs-toggle=\"collapse\" data-bs-target=\"#accordion-69f072f7db69c-collapse\" aria-expanded=\"true\" aria-controls=\"accordion-69f072f7db69c-collapse\">Vanades s\u00f5nastikes<\/button>\n        <\/h2>\n        <div id=\"accordion-69f072f7db69c-collapse\" class=\"accordion-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-69f072f7db69c-heading\">\n            <div class=\"accordion-body\">\n<h5>Stahl 1637<\/h5>\n<p><small> \u2014 <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Gutslaff 1648<\/h5>\n<p><small> \u2014 <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>G\u00f6seken 1660<\/h5>\n<p><small> \u2014 <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Vestring 1710\u20131730<\/h5>\n<p><small> <strong>Iidne <\/strong>uralt, g\u00e4ntzlich, Gantz u. gar <em>Rev<\/em>. <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Clare 1730<\/h5>\n<p><small> \u2014 <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Thor Helle 1732<\/h5>\n<p><small> <strong>iidne <\/strong>g\u00e4ntzlich, gantz und gar. <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Svenske 18. saj I pool<\/h5>\n<p><small> \u2014 <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Hupel 1818<\/h5>\n<p><small> <strong>iidne <\/strong>g\u00e4nzlich, ganz und gar. H.<sup>[Harjumaa]<\/sup> <\/small><\/p>\n<hr>\n<h5>Wiedemann 1893<\/h5>\n<p><small> <strong>\u012bd<\/strong> <em>G<\/em>. <strong>\u012be<\/strong> <em>l\u00e4ngst vergangene Zeit<\/em>,<br>\n<strong>wanast \u012best<\/strong> <em>von Alters her<\/em>. <\/small> <small> <strong>\u012bdne<\/strong> <em>G<\/em>. <strong>\u012bdse<\/strong> <em>dauernd, ausdauernd, auf Lebenszeit oder seit undenklichen Zeiten w\u00e4hrend<\/em>,<br>\n<strong>wanast \u012bdsest ajast<\/strong> <em>seit unvordenklichen Zeiten<\/em>. <\/small> <small> <strong>\u012be<\/strong> <em>G<\/em>. <strong>\u012bde<\/strong> <em>uralte, l\u00e4ngst vergangene Zeit<\/em>,<br>\n<strong>wanast \u012bdest<\/strong> <em>vgl<\/em>. \u012bd. <\/small><\/p>\n<p><\/p><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n<p><\/p><div class=\"accordion mb-3\">\n        <div class=\"accordion-item accordion-item--white\">\n        <h2 class=\"accordion-header\" id=\"accordion-69f072f7db69f-heading\">\n            <button class=\"accordion-button collapsed\" type=\"button\" data-bs-toggle=\"collapse\" data-bs-target=\"#accordion-69f072f7db69f-collapse\" aria-expanded=\"true\" aria-controls=\"accordion-69f072f7db69f-collapse\">Sagedus<\/button>\n        <\/h2>\n        <div id=\"accordion-69f072f7db69f-collapse\" class=\"accordion-collapse collapse\" aria-labelledby=\"accordion-69f072f7db69f-heading\">\n            <div class=\"accordion-body\">\n<p><small>10 000 tekstis\u00f5na kohta<\/small><\/p>\n<p><small> 16. sajandil \u2013 0,00<br>\n17. sajandil \u2013 0,00<br>\n18. sajandil \u2013 0,00 <\/small><\/p>\n<p><\/p><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n\n\n<h5 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Kirjandus<\/h5>\n\n\n\n<p><small>\u2022 ETY = Metsm\u00e4gi, Iris; Sedrik, Meeli; Soosaar, Sven-Erik 2012. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eki.ee\/dict\/ety\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eesti et\u00fcmoloogias\u00f5naraamat<\/a>. Tallinn: Eesti Keele Sihtasutus.<br>\u2022 EMS = 1994\u2212\u2026 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.eki.ee\/dict\/ems\/index.cgi\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Eesti murrete s\u00f5naraamat<\/a>.<br>\u2022 Tunkelo, Eemil Aukusti 1914. Er\u00e4ist\u00e4 vainajainpalvontaan liittyvist\u00e4 suomalaisista nimityksist\u00e4. \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/fennougrica.kansalliskirjasto.fi\/handle\/10024\/89865\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Kansatieteellisi\u00e4 tutkielmia<\/a>. Kaarle Krohnille h\u00e4nen 50-vuotisp\u00e4iv\u00e4ns\u00e4 johdosta omistaneet ty\u00f6toverit ja oppilaat. Helsinki: Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 finno-ougrienne.<br>\u2022 Uibo, Udo 2013. Et\u00fcmoloogilisi m\u00e4rkmeid (XIV). \u2013 Keel ja<br>Kirjandus 7, 529\u2013535<\/small><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Omaduss\u00f5na iidne on kirjakeeles leitav alles 18. sajandist ning tekstides tavap\u00e4raseks saab see 20. sajandil. Murreteski on iidne levinud vaid hajusalt (olles siiski \u00fcles m\u00e4rgitud ka paigust, kus elas ja tegutses m\u00f5ni 17. sajandi keelemees, nt Heinrich G\u00f6seken; vt EMS). &#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":167,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"inline_featured_image":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[48,59],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1754","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-piiblitolge","category-sonaalguse-h"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1754","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/167"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1754"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1754\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1755,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1754\/revisions\/1755"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1754"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1754"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/sisu.ut.ee\/vaks\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1754"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}